These are some examples of the " beasts " I have tamed into behaving, except for the young one above that has been well behaved......so far.
This one grew along the ground for 50 feet as well as up a neighbours fir tree the same height.It was always a dependant bloomer but this year has been an exceptionally good one. Some of the ground runners were layered and are now growing in pots on their own.
Several years ago this one was never pruned for a dozen or so years growing up above the second floor windows and eaves. Its now happily tamed back onto its metal frame.